Dialogue with Dephi Digital co-founder: Find trends before social media discussions and stay optimistic in boring markets

Video source: Exclusive with Delphi Digitals Anil Lulla: Research, Crypto, AI, and the Future of Investing!

Guest: Anil Lulla, CEO of Delphi Digital

Moderator: Jagdish; Sushil Sanghvi, Cryptography Researcher

Compiled edited by TechFlow

Background Information

In this special episode, we have an in-depth conversation with Anil Lulla, co-founder of Delphi Digital, one of the most respected research and investment firms in the crypto space. Anil shares his journey from Wall Street to building a $5 billion The extraordinary journey of a billion-dollar crypto magnate. We take an in-depth look at Delphi’s unique research process, the future of crypto AI, how to navigate complex market cycles, and why Anil is more bullish on crypto than ever before. He also reveals what he is working on. The top projects to watch for, and a huge giveaway for our listeners. Dont miss this exclusive conversation with one of the top minds in the field!

From Wall Street to Crypto

Anil Lulla shared his experience of transitioning from the traditional financial world to the crypto space. He mentioned that he had been passionate about business and technology since he was a child, and his father foresaw that he would not work for others.

While studying finance, Anil developed an interest in using mathematics to predict business changes.

Challenges and opportunities of entrepreneurship

Anil recalls the time he and his team tried to raise $20 million to start a venture capital fund in 2019. Despite facing rejection from investors, they stuck to their beliefs and started the fund by using a credit card with a 0% APR. , they successfully expanded the fund size to $500 million to $600 million, forming an internal family office model without interference from external investors.

Investor Regrets

When talking about the relationship with investors, Anil mentioned that although he had never met the investor who rejected them, they had communicated with each other. The investor said that this was the biggest mistake of his life.

Anil’s experience highlights the importance of keeping faith in the face of hardship, and how to find opportunities in adversity.

Secrets: How Delphi predicts crypto trends in advance

Advantages of Delphi Research

Anil said that Delphi’s research team is excellent and is able to identify potential opportunities in crypto trends before they are widely discussed.

Anil emphasized that when they recruit team members, they prioritize those who are passionate and curious about the crypto space and create ideal roles for them so that they can play freely.

Core principles of research

Anil mentioned that the Delphi research team follows two main principles. First, the team always believes that if it appears on crypto Twitter, its too late. This means that they strive to find trends that have not been widely discussed so that they can be used in other Second, they require each report to be in-depth and unique, ensuring that the content written is not mentioned by other sources. This approach makes Delphi reports have advantages in both information density and uniqueness.

Personal reading habits

Anil also mentioned that he did not know the specific content of the research before it was released, and he would download and read the report as soon as it was released, especially when he was flying. He believes that this continuous learning and research enables him to keep up with The latest developments in the crypto space.

Crypto and AI: Why Delphi is betting big on this space

Delphi’s investment in crypto AI

Anil Lulla talked about Delphi Digitals recent active investments in the field of crypto AI in a podcast. He mentioned that Delphi has made about 17 crypto AI-related investments and released as many as 15 podcast episodes on the topic. This shows that Delphi attaches great importance to and is forward-looking in this field.

Initial skepticism and in-depth research on AI

Anil recalls his initial skepticism about AI, thinking it was just a buzzword that would not necessarily lead to actual products. However, as his team members gained a deeper understanding of the field, he gradually gained confidence. Some members of the team, such as Tommy, Kane, and Ross, helped him see the potential of combining encryption and AI.

The intersection of encryption and AI

Anil believes that the construction of crypto infrastructure is not only to attract users, but also to attract AI agents and robots. He pointed out that AI requires an open environment and multiple interfaces to interact with various protocols, and the decentralization of the crypto field is The feature just meets this need. He believes that the combination between AI and encryption will provide huge opportunities for future innovation.

Teamwork and diverse perspectives

Anil emphasized that Delphis success lies in the cooperation and communication within the team. The close connection between their three departments of research, investment and laboratory enables experts in different fields to share views and form more comprehensive decisions. This team This collaborative approach enables Delphi to stay ahead in a rapidly changing market.

Delphi Day Incident

Anil Lulla introduced the unique activity of Delphi Day, which is an internal event they hold every quarter. On this day, team members are asked not to say anything good about Delphi, but to speak freely and point out the shortcomings of the company and areas for improvement. .

Anil believes that this approach promotes open communication within the team and gives everyone a chance to express their opinions.

Form and purpose of the activity

During the Delphi Day, the team discusses the performance of each department, including research, investment and incubation. Anil explained that usually, everyone will reflect on their own department and put forward suggestions for improvement. This open discussion atmosphere has Help team members recognize their own shortcomings and find opportunities for improvement.

Specific examples

Anil shared a specific example about the gaming portfolio. At the Delphi Day event at the end of last year, the team discussed their investments in the gaming sector. Although they remained optimistic about the gaming industry, they realized that a lot of During the discussion, the team invited some project leaders from the game portfolio to show them the work being done and the problems being solved. This interaction helped Anil change from his initial pessimism to The shift to optimism has boosted confidence in gaming investment.

Self-criticism and culture

Anil emphasized that Delphi values the culture of self-criticism, and the team hopes to continuously improve through this method. They are willing to accept criticism from the outside, but they hope to find problems and make improvements on their own. This self-reflective attitude has become an important part of Delphis culture. part, allowing it to stay ahead in the highly competitive encryption market.

Project launch issues: How Legion solves them

Current Market Challenges

Sushil mentioned that in the past six months, many new projects have had difficulty maintaining their listing prices, and even some reputable projects have faced challenges. New projects are often confused about how to effectively conduct initial coin offerings (ICOs), initial decentralized offerings, and how to effectively conduct initial coin offerings (ICOs). issuance (IDO) and other strategies, and no ideal solution has yet been found.

Anil believes that Delphi is working hard to address these issues, especially through their new project Legion.

Legions innovative solutions

Anil introduced Legion, a new project that has just come out of stealth to solve the difficulties faced by new projects when going public. The core concept of Legion is to start from the bottom up and build a scoring and resume system for investors so that non- Accredited investors can also participate in the investment. Although it faces more legal challenges in the United States, this model is possible in Europe.

Reintroducing the ICO model

One of the highlights of Legion is that it enables projects to be distributed in a wider way and attract a different investor base, not just large venture capital firms. Anil believes that this approach can help projects go public better. Avoid value asymmetry problems that may exist in traditional financing methods.

Synergy with Metallex

Anil also mentioned that Legion’s sister company Metallex is a company that specializes in blockchain legal services. Gabriel Shapiro, the founder of Metallex, was a legal advisor to Delphi and is now leading this project. Metallex will provide legal support for many projects, including On-chain governance, data partnerships, protocols, etc. Working with Delphi’s Labs team, Metallex will automate these legal services and integrate them into Legion, thereby enhancing its capabilities.

Future Outlook

Anil is confident about the future of Legion and believes that over time, Legion will become the best project launch platform. Although it can be regarded as a launch platform at present, its functions will continue to expand and eventually provide more comprehensive support for projects. The launch of Legion is seen as an important step in addressing current market challenges, and we look forward to its development and impact in the coming months.

The Evolving Crypto Cycle: Meme Coins, Solana, and Real-World Use Cases

Evolution of market cycles

Sushil mentioned that with the launch of Ethereum, the cryptocurrency market has evolved through multiple cycles. In the first cycle, all tokens were rising, and in the second cycle, those tokens with stories and visions rose. In the current cycle, investors are beginning to distinguish between projects that perform well and those that do not, paying more attention to actual performance rather than empty dreams.

Anil sees this as a sign of market maturity, but also raises the question of how to navigate such an environment and Delphi’s role in it.

Anils view on the market

Anil reframed the concept of market cycles, believing that the second cycle was mainly the rise of DeFi, which brought real revenue models and business models. Subsequently, the craze for games, metaverses, and NFTs also brought He noted that the importance of NFTs lies in the fact that they introduce culture into the crypto world, although the current market enthusiasm for NFTs has waned.

Current Market Dynamics

In the current cycle, Anil observed two major trends: the rise of Solana and the popularity of meme coins. As a highly liquid project, Solana has attracted a lot of attention from investors, even at a price below $10. On the other hand, meme coins are seen as a leveraged tool with no liquidation risk, and many investors purchase meme coins to obtain higher risk returns.

The Impact of Meme Coins

Although meme coins have received a lot of attention in the market, Anil pointed out that investors within Delphi generally have a lower proportion of meme coins, averaging between 10% and 15%. This shows that even in the meme coin craze, Investors’ confidence in its long-term potential is not as strong as in projects like Solana.

Anil believes that this phenomenon reflects the complexity and diversity of the market.

Future Outlook

Anil is optimistic about the future, especially for some important projects such as Celestia and Athena. He believes that these projects are important in the market and may be launched at the right time, bringing unexpected surprises. He emphasized that as a As a fundamental investor, he has always believed in the importance of fundamentals and believes that the maturity of the market will continue to improve over time.

Low throughput and high FDV dilemma

Jagdish raised an important topic in the current crypto market, which is the problem of low circulation and high FDV (fully diluted market value). He observed that large institutions are investing in ETFs such as Bitcoin and Ethereum, while venture capital (VC) tends to However, regular investors seem to be losing interest in VC tokens and turning to meme coins.

Views on VC

Anil pointed out that many people are critical of VCs, but he believes that the markets performance reflects the behavior of investors. He emphasized that many VCs are not instructing the market on how to launch tokens, but hope to get returns through investment. He believes , the control of prices by market makers and exchanges may be the root cause of the problem.

The Problem of Low Flow and High FDV

Anil pointed out that the phenomenon of low circulation and high FDV is indeed a hot topic. He believes that the ideal situation is high circulation and high FDV, but currently many projects create too much hype when they are launched, resulting in their valuations being too high. The unreasonable value will eventually cause the price to fall, which will hurt the morale of the community and the team. Therefore, he suggested that the project needs to try different issuance methods.

Effective release strategy

Anil mentioned that he joked with some of his clients that the best token launch could be a “bad” launch. He believes that launching a token without hype and allowing the community to build from the ground up will be a great success. It is more conducive to long-term development. He used Synthetix and Chainlink as examples to illustrate that community members who entered the project at a low price early on will remain loyal to the project because their investment has already received a good return.

Community Changes

He also mentioned that the current community is often mercenary-like and investors are not very loyal to the project. Once they encounter problems, they will turn to other projects. Anil believes that the project needs to attract more people who are willing to hold for the long term. users to reduce this short-term behavior.

Future Directions

Finally, Anil said that the market will gradually adjust itself, especially when investors are dissatisfied with projects with low circulation and high FDV, projects will have to try new issuance models, such as Legion and Echo. , despite current challenges, as the market matures, relationships between projects and investors will improve.

VC exits too early? The pros and cons of crypto investing

Jagdish raised a question about early exits of venture capital (VC) in the crypto space. He believes that this phenomenon has its benefits because VCs are able to exit before product-market fit (PMF), thereby attracting more investors. Investors entered the market early. However, this early exit also led to a situation of high turnover and low FDV. He expressed confusion about the nature of this phenomenon, wondering whether it was a feature or a bug.

Anils opinion

Anil said that this is a good question. He believes that everything has its pros and cons. In the crypto market, early exit is seen as a feature, which is one of the reasons why many people flock to the crypto market. Investors like being able to achieve liquidity quickly and find opportunities to fund ideas that other investors might not.

Incentives for teams and investors

However, Anil also pointed out that when investors and teams receive generous returns before the product has found PMF, they may not be motivated to drive the product to success. Therefore, he suggested that the lock-up period of investment can be extended or milestones can be set. This is critical to keep the team motivated, as investors expect projects to stick to their investment thesis. If the investment thesis changes, early liquidity can become an issue.

Bull or bear? Why Im more bullish on the market than ever before

Sushil brought up a hot topic about the current market, i.e. are we in a bull or bear market now. He mentioned that many people are confused about the current “boring range” and asked Anil what he thinks about it and when will the bull market come. The beginning of.

Anils opinion

Anil said that he is personally very optimistic about the current market and this is the most optimistic period since he entered the crypto field. He believes that not only the market and macro structure are changing, but also the regulatory structure of the crypto industry is undergoing positive changes. He mentioned that the long-awaited ETFs (exchange-traded funds) are coming soon and interest rates may soon fall, which provide positive signals for the market.

Political factors

Anil also mentioned the upcoming election and the candidates’ attitudes towards cryptocurrencies. He believes that changes in the political environment may have a significant impact on the crypto market. For example, Trump and other candidates’ friendly attitude towards cryptocurrencies may Attract more supporters. He mentioned that Trump even mentioned including Bitcoin in fiscal reserves, which was rarely discussed in the past.

The power of community

Anil believes that the growing number of cryptocurrency holders among voters makes it impossible for politicians to ignore this group. He pointed out that cryptocurrency holders tend to become single-issue voters, which makes it difficult for politicians to ignore this group. This factor needs to be taken into account when formulating policies.

Future Outlook

Overall, Anil is optimistic about the future. He believes that if good regulatory policies are introduced, it will bring new growth opportunities to the crypto market. He hopes to see politicians deliver on their promises, rather than After being elected, he stopped paying attention to cryptocurrency-related issues. Although he admits that he does not have a high level of trust in politics, he believes that the current political environment provides a favorable background for the crypto market.

How Delphis Three-Armed Strategy Creates Alpha

The uniqueness of the Delphi study

Jagdish mentioned that the uniqueness of Delphi research is that they not only provide research reports, but also have skin in the game in investment - that is, members of the research team also participate in investment, which makes their research more practical and actionable. .

Anil believes that this approach makes the research more reliable because researchers are not just writing reports, they are also looking for opportunities that can bring alpha to their own portfolios.

Research and investment collaboration

Anil explained how the research and investment teams at Delphi work together. The investment team receives a large number of investment opportunities, while the research team constantly looks for projects that are worth writing reports on. If the research team finds potential alpha, they will write The report is sent to the investment team with a recommendation for further investigation.

Investment decision process

At Delphi, the investment decision-making process is relatively slow, usually taking two weeks. In the first week, the investment team will present the investment opportunity to the Investment Committee (IC) and answer questions from the committee members. In the second week, the experts of the research team will They participate in discussions, conduct in-depth analysis and debate on investment opportunities. This interaction generates high-quality discussions and helps the team make more informed investment decisions.

Advantages and Challenges

Anil stressed that although Delphi’s investment process is relatively slow, this thoughtful approach can avoid rash decisions made in a bull market due to market enthusiasm. He believes that this approach not only improves the success rate of investment, but also promotes Knowledge sharing among teams and improvement of research quality.

Delphis three-arm strategy combines research, investment, and team collaboration to create an effective process that helps them find Alpha in the competitive crypto market. This model not only enhances the practicality of research, but also improves The quality of investment decisions ensures that the team can stay ahead in a complex market environment.

Noteworthy projects

Current projects of interest

When talking about current projects, Anil mentioned that he is excited about some of the emerging projects in Delphi Labs and Ventures. He noted that although he has spent less time in the Labs department, he is very interested in two of the incubation projects - Legion and MetalX – very bullish.

Labs department operating model

Anil explained how Labs works: they come up with ideas, find teams to incubate them, and then launch them to the market. Recently, they decided to temporarily stop incubating new projects and focus on advancing existing projects, and plan to continue to incubate new projects in the next nine months. To be evaluated within twelve months.

Ventures investment direction

In the Ventures department, Anil mentioned that they are looking at multiple areas, especially the intersection of AI and cryptocurrency. He mentioned some specific projects such as MyShell (a project similar to Role AI) and Inference Labs, which are under the team’s There has been a lot of interest internally. In addition, they have invested in Haitopia, a decentralized Minecraft project, and Internet Game, which is undergoing large-scale development on Solana.

Infrastructure Projects

On the infrastructure side, Anil mentioned some projects worth paying attention to, such as Nisha, which is a more interconnected Rollup ecosystem with a very strong team.

Research and Consulting

In terms of research and consulting, Anil mentioned that they work with multiple protocols (such as Anoma) and will make most of their work public for everyone to learn and reference. He specifically mentioned a recent in-depth report for Optimism, sharing They expressed their views on Optimism’s superchain vision.

Work and life in crypto

Maintaining a work-life balance

When asked how to maintain a balance between family life and work life in the crypto industry, Anil shared his views. He believes that even though the crypto market is a 24/7 open environment, it is still very important to maintain a balance in life. He mentioned that he has made many friends in this industry and is even attending a friend’s engagement party in Spain at the moment. Discussions with friends rarely involve encryption topics, which makes him feel relaxed.

The importance of enjoying life

Anil stressed that life is short and should be enjoyed. He and his wife travel together and try to spend time with family and friends. He mentioned that the market will always exist, so people should take the initiative to seize opportunities and enjoy life. He recalled the initial founding of Delphi For three years, he had almost no rest. Although he was very productive during that time, it was not healthy. After a period of reflection, he realized that proper rest could improve work efficiency.

Interesting things in the crypto industry

Talking about interesting things in the crypto industry, Anil shared his experience of quitting his job with a former colleague to start his own business. He and his partner Yan decided to quit their executive positions on Wall Street and start their own crypto research company. When they explained this decision to their boss, At first she thought they were joking and expressed confusion at their choice.

Anil recalled that they also thought they resigned themselves at the bottom of the market when the price of Bitcoin fell from $20,000 to $6,000.

Motivation and determination

When they were leaving the office, their boss said to them: If this thing doesnt work out, you can always call me. Deutsche Bank will always welcome you back. This sentence inspired Anil and Yan, and they secretly made up their minds to work hard. work, without giving themselves the chance to go back. Anil believes that this motivation has made them more determined to start their own business.